The Joy of Padel podcast with Carolina Orsi (JOPS03E03)

Carolina Orsi, Italian padel champion, shares her journey from tennis to professional padel on the Joy of Padel podcast. She discusses the challenges of learning padel’s unique wall play, the importance of repetition in mastering the sport, and the differences between men’s and women’s padel. Orsi offers insights into her training regimen, focusing on physical preparation and mental skills to break into the top 20 rankings. The conversation explores padel’s rapid growth in Italy, the joy of watching professional matches, and Orsi’s perspective on choosing the right partner. This padel podcast provides a fascinating glimpse into the world of professional padel through the eyes of a rising star.

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Minter Dial: How lovely to have you on the Joy of Padel. I’ve watched you develop your game. You’re one of those, you are. First of all, you’re an outlier in terms of the Italian padel world. Amongst so many other Spaniards and Argentinians, you are fighting amongst the best. It’s great to have you on the the show. Tell us in your words, how on earth did you get into Padel? Because you have such a rich sporting background between football and I mean you’ve tried so many other sports.

Carolina Orsi: I’m glad to be here. Thank you for the invitation. And yes, like you said, because in Italy we know Padel very late because it’s a new sport. Obviously I dedicate myself to other sports. I was an ex-culture football. Yes. But my first sport was tennis and so I, I am an ex-tennis player. I mean I, I played. Sorry. I played. Sorry. My, my printer is, it’s, it’s got.

Minter Dial: A mind, it’s got a mind of its own.

Carolina Orsi: Sorry. And so, I was an external player and I, I dropped dropout tennis at the age of 20 and then I studied, I was to university and then in the same time I played football and, and I discovered Padel 2015 because a friend of my dad invite us to play Padel in the, in a club in the Tuscany and I, I don’t know anything about Padel, but like I played tennis. I mean I was able to do something with a racket. So, I started the, the match, the, the training and the, this friend of my dad that in that moment was the president of the, of the, of Padel in Rome told to me, wow, you play, you can play well and I think you could take advantage of this and you can start to play the league, the league in Italy, the national league with the club, with this club that is my club is. And then so in 2015 I started to play, you know, at the beginning, one in a month, then two in a month, then okay, I can play this tournament. Someone called me to play and then little by little I, I, I decided to, to move to Madrid and, and to, to start to do like professional. And in 2021 I moved to Madrid and in this time I was working in to Playtomic. I don’t know if you know, the app is of course. And yes, because I needed to work at that time because I was like 100 in the ranking, so I was anyone and I need to work and needed to work and so I started to train here in Madrid and little by little I won matches and I grew up and I started to play better and, and then now I’m here with the.

Minter Dial: Well, you, you’re being very shy, or should say humble, because you were already the Italian champion many years in a row of padel, and so you obviously established yourself. I’m wondering which was harder for you, Carolina. Was it harder for you to learn the walls or to learn Spanish?

Carolina Orsi: No, it was very difficult to learn the walls. No Spanish, because I think it’s similar to Italian and. Exactly, yeah. Parecido. And so, here in Madrid, I mean, I, I speak every hours and so it’s, it’s easy to learn and. But the walls. The walls, yeah. This is the problem. I mean, because I think that if you, if we can, if we speak, think about the smash, the volley, I think it’s, it’s better for an extended player. But the walls, I mean, it’s the, I think that is the, a very characteristic thing of Padel. And it’s a lot of work, a lot of repetitions, a lot of days of workout. And so, at the beginning was my enemy, but, but now, but now I think it’s, it’s for a friend.

Minter Dial: Yeah, so what, I mean, so many people coming into padel have probably some kind of racket experience. Not all, but, you know, many. And I see it myself, so many tennis players and yet, and some of them, I mean, I’ve been playing for 10 years now, and yet they still half folly at the back of the court, yet they still want to rush the net right away. What, what kind of advice do you have? Because obviously I’ve seen you play a lot of times, Carolina, and you, I would argue you have almost a, you know, a natural slowness to let the ball go by, relax, and then let it go. That’s what I see. That’s how I see you play. You’re not like an intense stop when it hits the wall. You’re just relaxed, pop up it goes, or do what you need. How do you get to that? What is it? What is the miracle that allows us to switch?

Carolina Orsi: I think that the players or the amateurs have to understand that when you have, when you are in the back, the back of the court, you have to defend, okay? This zone is to defend. So, you have to know that you need to defend and it’s okay. No pass another. It’s okay because it’s part of the game. You have the three zone, the first in the attack, the intermediate zone, and then the defense zone. So, you have to train this zone and you have to stay in a good position. I mean, it’s not good to stay in the intermediate position because you have to know very well the game to stay in this position. But if you know that and if you train with a lot of repetition with your coach and you do a lot of cross, you have to do a lot of cross with your, I mean, with your friends, with your partner, you have to do a lot of repetition and then with your friends, friends, walls. I mean, I think you used to know about how to manage these, these shots. Okay. With the walls, without the walls. But always I’m talking about in the, the back of the court. Okay.

Minter Dial: Yeah. There’s always that sort of. Well, you know, I’m an older guy, so my issue is sometimes the speed. So, if the ball’s going to come off the back wall, I know it’s going to come off the back wall, but I don’t have the speed to take it.

Carolina Orsi: Yeah.

Minter Dial: So, I need to block it. And you know, of course, if it’s, you know, like a portress or a smash, you sit at the back wall and you try to, yeah. Try to get it back. But yeah, that, that’s, that’s where I struggle. But that. What you’re talking about is this notion of complete repetition that gives you the comfort to know that this ball is going to go, especially if it’s a left hander, this way. Bing, bing, bing. That’s where it’s going to end up. And so, you can anticipate in the movement as opposed to frightened about where it’s going to be.

Carolina Orsi: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You say that one word that is very important. Anticipate. And it’s very, it’s. I think it’s a very, it’s a very important skill in Padel. The anticipate, the anticipation. And if you know, the professional players, they are very, with the flow and it seems very easy every shot because they, they read the ball before because they know, because of, I think because of the repetition. Because they, they, they did a lot of times this and they know what, what happened. So, this is the secret, I think. And then another secret I think is the, is the log. I mean, if you, if you, when you use the ball, the walls and you do a very good lob, I think it’s, it’s, you are, you are the one. I mean it’s, it’s easier. Everything is easier because if you do a good lob, they, they your opponents can attack you. Okay. And you can defend better the ball because if you do a Good lob and, and your opponent do a vibora or a bandeja. Surely you can defend, you can defend it if, if it’s a short lob. No, maybe you, you receive a smash. Yeah, with a lot of speed, with a lot of strike. So, the, the key is the lob in the defense. So, you have to train the, the love.

Minter Dial: I want to talk about the lob in a second, but let’s go back to this idea of reading the ball because I, I, I, you know, I played tennis when I was a youngster as well, at a good level. The, the issue is reading the ball off the racket to know how hard, what spin is coming, whether it’s a vibora or underneath. Cut to, to see that, especially when it’s up above. But then, then where it lands, which wall it hits, which walls it hits, which way it’s going to spin. Yeah, for me, and just qualify for me how the reading happens, because you obviously know the player. That’s another help as well. Sometimes when you’re playing against people, you already know when you see their strokes, you even know when they’re more or less better, if they’re going to do an imago, you know, like a. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But how do you read? I’d love to know how you think about these, reading these balls.

Carolina Orsi: I mean, I think that this is always the same answer, the repetition and sometimes when the, when you have doubts, you have to trust yourself. I mean, you have to calculate when you see the vibora or the bandeja that is going to the corner there. I think it’s very difficult because you don’t know if there is the lateral or the bottom. So, difficult there you have to, to trust yourself. And, and, and then if you’re, if you’re right, okay, you can defend if you’re not right. But if you are in a good position with your, with your feet, you can, you can defend it. But it depends of the position of about your turn. If you are turning in a good way, you can defend this, this ball, even if you don’t. You didn’t calculate well the ball. Okay, but I think that the, the secret and what you have to do is the repetition. Because I, I did a lot of training about that because at the beginning it’s very difficult to read the ball, to read if the if is the first wall, the second wall. So, the, my advice is a lot of repetitions and a lot of baskets with your coach and, and that’s it. And then you, you, you know it. When, when when you do a lot of training, you see that you, there is a moment that you understand that you are, you are better that you read the poem.

Minter Dial: Yeah, yeah. And I’m just wondering if I, I don’t know what it’s called, but Reverse willy, you know, so it goes, it goes right at you. And then you even practice that one.

Carolina Orsi: No. Yeah, yeah.

Minter Dial: Right?

Carolina Orsi: Yeah. Yes. This is like shots that you, you, you, you don’t practice. Yeah. It’s something that, it’s, it’s an unexpected. Because, like I said, because you trust your anticipation. I trust my calculation, but okay, no, the ball is going another way and then I have to do something different. So, it’s something that you do with your instinct. But the thing is, because your position was good, so if your position was good, you can do something to save the ball. Like the willy or like with contra pared. Okay. So, you can do something to save the ball because your position is good, even if the calculation was bad.

Minter Dial: It’s just like La Magia. So, Carolina, what’s your favorite shot?

Carolina Orsi: My favorite shot is the Smash portraits. Yeah.

Minter Dial: And that’s obviously you’re helped by the fact that you’re, you’re tall. How did that was that? And you have a tennis background. Is that how it seemed to me?

Carolina Orsi: Yes.

Minter Dial: In the women’s game, there are not so many women who hit fortress so often anyway. How have you seen the progression of Padel in the women’s game since you’ve started?

Carolina Orsi: I think that the padel in women, it’s, it’s amazing now 2055, it’s amazing and I want that the people understand that have to see live the play the game, the matches live because it, it’s very different. It’s very different because the speed of the ball, the strength of the players. I understand that is not like the, the man that with the jump. And it’s not like that because we are, we don’t have this, this power. Okay. It’s like physiologic. Okay.

Minter Dial: So, it’s a reality of the world.

Carolina Orsi: It’s the reality. Yes. But I, I, I want to say that we don’t, we are different, women are different. It’s, it’s like that. It’s not a lot of people do the, the, the compare the comparison. But it’s not like that because it’s different. I don’t know, it’s like you, it’s like, okay, do you like pasta? Do you like meat? I think it’s different. I think it’s because sometimes I want to eat pasta, something. I want to eat meat. Okay. It’s different.

Minter Dial: Without, without any embarrassment or doubt. I, I think watching women’s padel is much better for the, for the amateurs.

Carolina Orsi: Yeah.

Minter Dial: Because it’s really more attainable, accessible.

Carolina Orsi: Yeah.

Minter Dial: And, and a second thing which I, I mean, I watching live is fascinating is to talk is to listen to the communication.

Carolina Orsi: Yeah.

Minter Dial: And, and you know, let’s say that men and women are different in communication. My observation is that women padel players talk even more than men padel players.

Carolina Orsi: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because the matches of the men, the most of the time are like with the, with shots. Okay. So, you can imagine service, volley, smash. Okay, that’s it. What we have to talk. I mean, it’s.

Minter Dial: Congrats, you won the point.

Carolina Orsi: Congrats. Good job. Yes. I mean, and above all, when you, we, they are playing in outdoor when where the ball is flying, I mean, it’s very uncontrolled, the ball is very difficult to control outdoor. And the wall are, the wall is very, very hot. And so, you can smash and you can do with the smash, like wall, wall directly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It’s, it’s incredible. So, in this case, the, the men don’t have to communicate a lot. Okay. But has the women like, we can do this, this, this mesh. I, I, I said, I say smash, but whatever. So, we have to talk about the tactic, about the psychology of the moment, because I can see that my opponent is in a bad moment and so we have to focus the play against her or we have to repeat a shot because the point before she did a mistake. So, yes, we have to speak a lot. We speak a lot about the tactic. Or maybe my partner is not in a good moment because he’s is doing a lot of mistakes and, or she’s in a moment, in a tension moment with, with nervous, with the. So, we have to speak. We are. Yes. I don’t know. We are, we are women, so we speak a lot. We communicate a lot. I mean, there is a lot of emotions. So, yeah, this is, this is about everything. Of this we communicate and we have to manage this and we manage in the court, but above all, out of the court with a psychologist. We have a psychologist and I can do alone with my psychologist or we can do with, with the team or only with my partner or only with my coach. Depends on, of the, on the moment or what my problem is.

Minter Dial: Right. That’s fascinating. I mean, really, I think we all can learn from one another, men and women, and this idea of communicating about what you’re feeling how you’re going. Yeah, that’s such a, I mean that’s such a fascinating part of padel. And for anybody who’s not watching on YouTube, our chat. I hope you can hear Carolina’s smile as she was talking. I wanted just circle back on Italy for a second. It’s one of the countries that has the most number of courts in the world. Still a little bit behind Spain. But what is it that made in your mind, what’s the story that made Catalan Italy so popular?

Carolina Orsi: I think because it’s. First of all, it’s easy. Padel is easy. I mean it’s not like tennis that you need a lot of lessons because you need the technique to do and to start to rally. Okay. In Padel you can do the first lesson or, or the first training. You can do a match. So, I think this creates a lot of good feeling because you come back home and oh, wow, I did a match or I did some points and I won or I lost. So, this is for me the first reason that you enjoy, enjoy to play very fast. Then it’s, it’s a, it’s a team sport. And when you can stay with in this case four people, this generate a lot of yes, good vibes because then we can go to, to, to have.

Minter Dial: Dinner or to have la la.

Carolina Orsi: And so, this generates a lot of yes, good vibes and it’s a, a social Sport. So, in 2025, you know that the social network and social. I think it’s a very, it’s the most used word. And so, but let’s say.

Minter Dial: But the thing is in Italy it’s, it’s really dominantly more there’s, I mean as opposed to Greece or other even Mediterranean countries, Turkey even ahead of France. What is it that. I mean, maybe there, you know, I’m missing something like there was a famous footballer that played padel and that made it famous. What was the tipping. I mean, how did it accelerate to have so many courts? I mean we’re in England and we have maybe 500 courts in the whole country.

Carolina Orsi: I think that is a business. Okay. So, I think that this is, it’s a very good reason to build courts because at the beginning they, they, they, they saw that, okay, I built three, four courts and the courts were, were full. And so, they, they, the owners and the managers, they, they saw that was a very rentable. So, and, and they continue. And so, I think that business, this is the first reason and then was became a business for ex-football players, actors or a lot, a lot of People. A lot of people that came from different worlds. So, this creates a lot of hype. And then, you know, when my, my, my best football player is playing Padel, okay, perfect me like I am an amateur. Okay. I, I have to, I have to try because you know that if he’s, if he’s, if my, my football player. My best football player is playing and is in. Is enjoy. So, why I have to do that?

Minter Dial: Absolutely. Well, I’m very excited for that and I hope that the Italians continue to power through and, and let’s say Sunday, knock off the Spanish and Argentinians from the hegemony that they have.

Carolina Orsi: I hope so.

Minter Dial: What about, what about shots you’re working on? It’s always interesting to talk to pros at your level who are, who still feel that they can improve. What, what, what are the, what is it that you’re working on? And, and, and what do you think will get you into the top 20.

Carolina Orsi: Now? I am, I’m working on my, my f. My, my physical preparation. I mean, I, I think that I, I need to be faster, stronger, because I think that this is the different with the top 20, because they are like, they are like a cat. They are catching every time the ball and they are, then they are very focused on the ball and on the game. And for me, maybe sometimes I’m not focused. And this is why. And why. So, I’m working this with, with my psychologist, for example, because I need to stay focused. Okay. Like 1 hour and 32 hours, this, I’m working on this. So, about mental skill. So, then in the court, like I said, I’m training a lot in the gym. So, about my physical preparation and then about my shots, I think I, I’m, I’m working on forehand volley because it’s not my, my best shot. I, I prefer backhand volley. And, and then in the defense. In the defense, because in the return, above all, and, and yes, I think that the defense, I, I always, I always need a lot of work because, I mean, I, I started to play a few years ago like a professional.

Minter Dial: So, as, as opposed to some of the Spaniards who were born with a racket in their hand.

Carolina Orsi: Exactly, exactly. You see now that there are a lot of little players that are like 18, 17, that, okay, they have not experienced. Yes, they don’t have experience, but they born with the right, so they are very good with the defense, with the world. They know a lot the game. So, okay, maybe I played a lot of matches, but I don’t have a lot of trainings. Like, like them.

Minter Dial: Yeah, we all have, that’s your strengths. You have to know how to play to your strengths. So, what about as you get ready for a match, let’s say in the, the moments leading up to the match, do you have any quirky things you do to prepare for the game, whether it’s mental or physical or a little, you know, habits?

Carolina Orsi: I’m not like very obsessed with the, with, with these things before or during the match, but I can say to you that I prepared the padel bag always in the same way. Yes, yes, with, with towers, with the, the beauty case and yes, yes, with the rackets, with the grip over grip. Yeah. Yes.

Minter Dial: Nice. I like that. All right, padel. I, I’ve named this podcast the Joy of Paddle because I think it’s about having joy and, and usually it is a joyful sport and has lots of funny moments. And I’m wondering if you have any funny moments that come out of your, out of your memory that happened around padel.

Carolina Orsi: Yes, I have a funny moment. Yes. Because I was playing with the Giorgio Marchetti, another Italian girl. The Olympic, Olympic Games, European Olympic Games in Krakow, which you happen to get.

Minter Dial: The gold medal for, by the way.

Carolina Orsi: Yeah. In, in the final, my opponent, Martha Cavaros or Martha Barrera, I don’t remember. She was, was smashing and you know, I was, I was running to catch the ball, but I calculate very bad where, where there is the net. And so, I, I fell down in and, and I, I don’t know, I, I, I lost my mind for like, I don’t know, 10, 15 seconds because I, I do like, I don’t know how tumbled.

Minter Dial: You tumbled over the net.

Carolina Orsi: Yes. Then I opened my eyes and there was like, oh my God, where am I? So, so I was like, okay. And a lot of people were, were around me and, and asked me, are you okay? And, and then it was like I, I, I just feel, feel my, felt my body and I was okay. Okay, right. And, and then I, I, I saw my partner and I starting to laugh because was very funny because she was like, okay, I don’t know if I have to be worried about for her or I can laugh. And then with her and with the coach, with Marcela Ferrari, we started to laugh in the final. It was a very funny moment. Yeah. And then we won the final. I think for this reason was this block.

Minter Dial: Bravisima, you know what I love about Padel is that to see that on the pro tour. I mean, obviously there’s going to be some ins and outs and goods and bads. But so, often the, the idea of good sportsmanship and, and saluting your opponent, making good a good point and the ability to laugh. I feel that it’s related to the Hispanic or this sort of culture behind it.

Carolina Orsi: Yeah.

Minter Dial: Do you, do you, do you watch Pro Paddle? I mean, do you watch any of the other matches?

Carolina Orsi: Yes, a lot. A lot. I love to watch Padel. Even if I lost or even if I win. I like to above all, when I stay in the tournament and I don’t have to train or do something. Yeah. I stay with my iPad or with the TV and sometimes I stay with the iPad with the phone because I have two cords and. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And with, With Gemma. With Gemma. Same. We are very, very freaky about that. And. Yes, because I like to see. I like to see part. I like to. It’s. It’s a training too because when you see and you, you know your opponents, you know what, what. What she is doing in this moment. So, it’s, it. It’s a way to study and it’s a way to. I know, to, to waste time.

Minter Dial: For me.

Carolina Orsi: Yeah. It’s relax.

Minter Dial: Relax or relax. Yeah, I think that’s right. So, do you. I mean, I don’t know if it’s fair, but. Can I ask you who you’re. Who you like to watch the most?

Carolina Orsi: For me, yes, I, I know that it’s obvious the, the. The. The. The answer, but Gemma, for me it’s, It’s. It’s the best because I think it’s, it’s the. It’s very. It’s complete. I think it’s complete. She. She has everything. I mean she has the, the mind, she has the technique. She. She’s a very communicate player. I mean she manage very well. The important moment of, of this sport that I think this is the difference between one that is top 10, top 15, top 20, top 30. And, and I think that a great player manage very well this, this important moment. And I think she is one of the best at.

Minter Dial: For sure. I was just at Hexagon watching her last question and of course there’s a double entendre, as we say in French with this one. How do you choose your partner? And of course what I’m talking about here is your partner.

Carolina Orsi: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I think that I analyze my shots, my way of play and then I try to think which player can complementary with my shots, with my play and then I look about the person. How is the person? Because you have to live with this person. I mean It’s a team sport, but it’s a relationship because you travel with this person and you stay in the hotel with this person. You have lunch and dinner and you sleep with this person. Person. I mean, you stay 24 hours with this person. So, I think that is important the relationship. And sometimes I prefer that the relationship is good that the, the. The way that, that she plays. Okay. I. I don’t know if I explained.

Minter Dial: What you’re saying is that you prefer to have a good relationship necessarily the best player.

Carolina Orsi: Exactly. Because if it’s a very, very, very good player, but then I can communicate. We discuss every. Every, every time. So, I think it is not good for. To grow up. Okay. So. for me this is very, very important. And for. With Nuria, for example, we have a very, very good relationship. And, and so I think this is our strength then can happen a lot of things. I mean, I mean if someone in the top, in the top 10 call me. Yes. It’s a, It’s a good. It’s an opportunity. Okay. And Nuria, I perfectly know that she says to me, take your opportunity, take your. And. And enjoy this call. Okay. And this is for me, it’s. It’s a very, very, very important characteristic of a person, of a player.

Minter Dial: I mean, how appropriate the fact that Gemma plays on the left.

Carolina Orsi: Yeah.

Minter Dial: But so, so let’s finish on the future of padel. There’s been changes in the rules. There’s of course the consolidation WPT and the FIP. What about the rules? Do you feel that there are any rules that could be changed or need to be changed going forward? Are you happy with it as they are?

Carolina Orsi: I’m happy. I’m happy. I have to say that I’m happy with the tour. Like, you know, I like the team, I like football. So, this event that are doing for example the Hexagon cup or the PPL or now in India the format is with the team. So, I like that some tournaments or in the future the padel can be like with teams. Okay. So. So, with the one pair with of men and one pair with women one and the other pair. Okay. Yeah. Or mix. Yes. And you have the. The classify. You know, and it’s like that. It’s like football. And I think that for people, you. You give them something to. To believe. All of the year. All of the year. Because you know, with the. The break of the. Of the pair that are very fragment frequently. I don’t know if people like that.

Minter Dial: Yeah, it’s definitely harder to follow and yet the teams can’t be too superficially created. How was your experience of playing in the pro padel leagues? I know you got, you got drafted at least one year. I don’t know. I’ve been following a little bit, but not so much the American ppl. How was that experience for you?

Carolina Orsi: Was very great experience and I hope to repeat this experience. Yeah, because I mean knowing USA it’s, it’s amazing and I am a very, very, very big fan of, of the cinema. So, for me travel there. Yes was. It was. I was a dream and play there. And also, I saw a lot of times the US Open so the tennis players, so Serena Williams. So, you know, I’m a very, very good fan of USA so for me it was a very good experience. And, and there is growing up. I mean they are trying to develop the padel. I think that if, if USA can enter, I think that this sport can be. Can be Olympic because they, they are a very, very important strength and so I think we need them. We need China, we need Australia, we need these countries to to go to. To became. To became bigger and I think to, to go to, to the Olympic Games.

Minter Dial: Well, certainly hoping for that inside your career. I just want to wait forever and ever for it. Right. Well that’s been beautiful. I, I really appreciate having you on. Carolina. I’m going to let you go because I know time is of importance. What would be the final word for you in for padel?

Carolina Orsi: I mean, I think that you need passion. Need a lot of passion to play this, this incredible sport. And, and above all you have to enjoy it. You have to enjoy it because it’s a, it’s a sport that is made to. To enjoy it.

Minter Dial: Love it. Carolina. Muchas gracias.

Carolina Orsi: Bye bye. Thank you.