The Joy of Padel podcast with Joni Luolamaa

Joni Luolamaa is a full time padel professional, one of the top players in Finland. In addition to his playing padel, he is a bona fide YouTuber and padel influencer in Finland. We discuss his rather unique journey to becoming a professional padel player, the ups and downs, his favourite shot and most inspiring pro tour players, as well as the life lessons afforded by padel and a peak into the bright future of padel.

To find out more about Joni Luolamaa:

• Find or follow Joni on Instagram: luolamaa
• Find and subscribe to Joni’s YouTube Channel
• Here is the video of how Saska Huttenen and Joni worked on breaking down a kick smash by starting with their other hand (left in their case)

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SPEAKERS

Minter Dial, Joni Luolamaa

Minter Dial  00:11

¡ Buenos días, chicas y chicos ! Hello and welcome, a very warm welcome to the Joy of Padel podcast, spreading and sharing the supreme delight of this wonderful and fast-growing game. I’m your host Minter Dial. And this podcast is brought to you by Padel1969 The largest manufacturer of premium padel courts, one quart for life by Padel 1969. The Joy of Padel is part of the Evergreen Podcast Network. For more information about the network, go and check out evergreenpodcast.com. So, this is the second season of the Joy of Padel podcast. And to start with, we’re going to do an episode once every fortnight. Episodes will drop every other Wednesday at 12 noon, London time. Please let us know what you think about the show by putting up a rating and review.

So, this is the second season for the Joy of Padel. And as with last season, we’ll be running an episode once every fortnight. Please let us know what you think about the show by putting up a rating and a review. So, bienvenido, welcome to episode number four for the second season of the joy padel podcast and this one’s with my first guest from Finland, Joni Luolamaa. Joni is a full time padel professional one of the top players in Finland. In addition to his playing padel, Joni is a bona fide YouTuber and padel influencer in Finland. We discuss his rather unique journey to becoming a professional padel player, the ups and downs, his favorite shot and most inspiring Pro Tour players, as well as the life lessons afforded by padel and alongside a peek into the bright future of padel in Finland. Please enjoy the listen and share and subscribe to send out more Joy of Padel to the world. Vamos Joni Luolamaa. This is the best pronunciation I got for you. Great to have you on the Joy of Padel, who is Joni.

Joni Luolamaa  01:57

Joni is 30-year-old Finnish player, I also coach and create content online. And the content creation is something I tried to help people start a padel from basically without background in racquet sports. So, it has been a long road. It’s been a nice thing to help others to learn and maybe avoid some mistakes or mistakes that I’ve been doing. But basically that’s it.

Minter Dial  02:30

Life is full of mistakes, Joni, that’s wonderful. So, you’re obviously a very good athlete, you’re currently ranked 15th in in Finland. Congratulations for that. You’re also as I was speaking about my podcast the other day at a tournament and a Finnish chap showed up. “Ah, I’ve got this Joni guy coming on”. “Oh, the YouTube influencer,” he called you. So, that goes to your content creation and hat tip to you on that. So, let’s talk about this and how you got into padel. If you’re not a tennis player, they usually that’s how they all come into it, or squash or something like that. But you came out of it from a different angle. So, tell us about your road to padel.

Joni Luolamaa  03:16

Yeah, it’s pretty unique story. I played first time, I think it was to turn in a team. no prior experience really in the in the racquet sports. I played basketball when I was younger, and had some back injuries and eventually got two surgeries. And after that, after the second surgery, it was super nice to be doing sports again and I was healthy. So, then padel came along and it was like it was such a fun thing to learn, you know, every day something new and then things moved on. And you know, it started like an innocent hobby. We played with my friends. We only had some outdoor courts. It was only summertime. Then when the first indoor courts came to my town, I think was 2019. Then we really started to play and then I had the opportunity to go to Bilbao to an exchange program with my university. So, I was able to pick actually curses like I said in English like racquet sports, we play tennis and we played padel in the university and that was supported by the Finnish government so that was something I’m super proud of that I used the opportunity to go there and they are actually in Bilbao. I got my you know, you could say that the learning So, how to play and how to coach. And when I came back Finland into Finland, then I started my own academic, sort of, and I started to coach more. And then I started to produce content to YouTube to help other players. Because the sport was new, many people, they didn’t know how to play the padel. So, I found my black place there and learned a lot of the content creation along the way.

Minter Dial  05:37

As we were speaking, before we got on that you had been hospitalized. And you had this sort of aha moment, I’d love for you to explain that the AHA.

Joni Luolamaa  05:46

Yeah, it was a big moment. It was I had around three or four years of playing padel and working in school as a teacher. And I also coach a lot. So, my days were pretty full. And I think eventually, it was just too much because I also trained myself played basically every day. So, when I was I got this herpes virus to my I was a severe one was one month in the hospital, and then I had the time to reflect, you know, hospital is a place where many people start to think, think about things…

Minter Dial  06:30

The white, white walls through one eye.

Joni Luolamaa  06:34

Yeah. And I told myself that I think it’s just too much. And I want to focus on battle and see where things go. And then I called to the principal’s office, telling that I’m not coming back on Autumn, and I want to pursue, I think that at the moment, it was I want to pursue life in padel it wasn’t at that time. It was not me being an athlete, it was also coming on entrepreneur, and started my own business and coaching. And now we are at the point that I’m able to train professionally, which is super nice. And I’m not coaching like six or seven hours every day. So, my body’s more healthy.

Minter Dial  07:27

Love that. And in terms of so you have the content creation, which is a source of revenue, of course, it’s a source of reputation, you’ve got big followings on all sorts of different channels, more than most than YouTube and Instagram even have Facebook and Tik Tok. But in in terms of playing padel, there’s coaching, what about playing and winning tournaments? Or playing in tournaments? How does that go in terms of the Finnish market for playing pro tournaments?

Joni Luolamaa  08:02

Do you mean in general? In the Finnish market?

Minter Dial  08:04

Yeah. For you? How is it going in that? Because I mean, I’m sure that like in England, for example, there are there are not that many pros Coming over to play in your tournaments, unless it’s like a flip organized one, you know, big, you know, level of grade one or something. But so, how does it work in Finland? Tell us a little bit about that.

Joni Luolamaa  08:23

Right now, there’s plenty of categories to play. I think there’s A, B, C, D, and even E category. So, there’s many, many players and the A category, which where I play, it’s basically the same phases in every tournament, because I think there’s a skill gap behind like, your Top 20 And you go below 20, then it’s usually the top 20 Guys, they win and advance to the semifinals, which are televised, and I’m sort of stuck in the category. I’ve been like, my best result is to finals in some big tournaments like some years ago, and since then, I’ve been sort of stuck a little bit. But I’m still loving the chase. And it’s, for me it’s more about living a life that I like I want to wake up I want to go train, then maybe some work and then again go to train and they have to say the goal is to win these competitions regularly. But it’s it’s not easy. And you are up against guys that have been playing tennis they have been winning in tennis. So, they are a Believe it. They have Yeah, they are used to it.

Minter Dial  10:04

Yes, the mindset, isn’t it? Well, I mean, I love your approach. And you seem to have a portfolio approach to your padel career, where you have different elements of it. And just before we get into your play in particular, I want to lean in on that in a second. But the content creation side, it’s always been that sort of something from a business side, I’ve been very aware of podcasting, and blogging and trying to do my little, you know, YouTube thing, even though I’m a sixty-year-old white male, which is a long way to go. But how, how much time do you spend on that? And, and what type of content? Are you interested? Because I can’t unfortunately, understand the finish. Most of the time, it’s unfinished, it seems. What? What’s your strategy with regard to the content creation?

Joni Luolamaa  10:54

Well, it started because I wanted to help people, because I knew things that were not so clear, like in 2020, when the sport was booming in Finland, and little by little, I have been able to secure some deals to help my carrier, but at first, it was just I got a few rackets, some clouds. And that was about it. And since then, during the years, I’ve been learning how to make it as a business. So, you can get some revenue out of it. I think it’s a lot of work, you have to put in the hours. So, it’s not. No one in Finland is like, even if you’re super good, you have some social media following. It’s, it’s hard to go professional, everyone is still doing some sort of work or has their own way of living. But yeah, go on.

Minter Dial  11:59

Do you have to kind of Estonians understand your finish? Is there is there because it’s not exactly a huge country, Finland, you have 1000 courts, lots of players, but it’s not your Spanish market. It’s not even your Swedish market. So, your terms of monetization? Do you? Do you? Is that something you have to focus on? Yeah, I mean, obviously, a professional is one channel more successful than another for you in this padel world.

Joni Luolamaa  12:28

For me, it’s when YouTube started doing the videos on YouTube, when they got popular. It was more of the educational content. And then during the years, I have been doing various stuff. So, me of the videos, I’ve been documenting my journey, my process, learning, kicks, mass, or whatever. Now it’s a sort of mix between educational content. And following my journey as a professional player, or following how the juniors are doing in Finland. And in Instagram, it’s a different world. I’ve been doing also educational content there. But it’s a platform that allows the people that really want to follow you on your journey, you can really say you can let them come a little bit closer, who is your knee? And I’ve been trying to be open in the social media.

Minter Dial  13:40

Nice. Well, you know, obviously, it is working. And that’s very exciting. One of the things you just said you’re learning to kick Smash, and I’m trying to imagine how a basketball player learns a kick smash because for someone who’s been playing tennis, all of my life, doing a second serve effectively is a second serve motion. It’s a natural shot. If you just have to arch your back, you have to hit as high as you can and pop it up. That sort of thing. Of course, for me it’s still quite an exercise. But for you coming from no racquet sport background, essentially, how the shots work for you. And do you feel like you have an orthodox or an unorthodox approach to the shots that you make?

Joni Luolamaa  14:23

Well, we can start with the basketball background. I think I’m gifted as an athlete. Been my education is physically the education teacher. So, I’ve done plenty of sports but that really, basketball was the only serious one. But the racquet sports has been growing pains. It’s not been easy, but you had to learn. Learn to enjoy the process because that’s all about it. You put in the hours. Not because someone He’s forcing you. But you have the positive attitude. And whenever you decide whenever I had a chance to go on the court with, with anyone I went, and then little by little, I remember the first gig smash that actually got the top spinner went out. Those have been the best moments. Because I’ve always loved the learning part. Basically any sports?

Minter Dial  15:30

Well, it strikes me… I was interviewing Luis Estrada, who was a professional tennis player. He’s Venezuelan, that was number one in America. He’s actually a very short fellow. But what he said, which is interesting is he loved the learning process, too. And what he did is he sacrificed a year to lose to and learn the tennis that he had done. Whereas you come into it from a very different angle. You don’t have to unlearn tennis, you just got to learn padel and coming from I mean, being a great athlete, obviously, you can any photograph of you, you can see your pictorials come through and you’re obviously a strong, you’re a tall, good looking chap. And that not that good looking helps. But you know, it’s part of your package, I should say, friend who was listening without looking and so how would you describe the type of player that you are? And you know, to what extent was Bilbao instrumental in making you the player that you are?

Joni Luolamaa  16:31

I think I could start remembering the years when the first tennis players also came to the scene like the young ones, and they really wanted to learn padel, I was able to use that to my advantage, because I was super a counter attacking player. When they hit a short mass, I was able to go and win the points and defense was always something that I was consistent, and not really about attacking bullies, they were more more about putting the ball into code not making a mistake. So, in the early years in Finland, I think that was my best characteristic, super hard word for Finnish.

Minter Dial  17:18

“Characteristic!” I got it.

Joni Luolamaa  17:22

Yeah, but then I think like maybe two years ago, then I was a little bit stuck on the ranking again. And I found it a little bit hard, because a unified lob trying to counterattack, but the other young, mostly tennis players who came to the sport and really were really good. They started making less mistakes, they started not to give me easy balls to smash, you know. And then I think my game evolved a little bit towards the attacking side. So, it was the emphasis to have pressure with the volleys to do basically little bit, everything a little bit better. So, it has been shifting, and I used to play on the backhand side. And now, I wanted to try and learn the game on the AI side. And it’s been really a learning process there. All sorts of new things. But I think it’s been good to learn both sides.

Minter Dial  18:35

Hmm. Well, I certainly agree with you, I find that part of the learning process is it’s fascinating how the shot selections are just radically different. For if you’re playing on the right thing on the left, where you want to hit, it’s what your role is. And as it happens, the game is evolving each on both sides, and we’re learning different tricks and you’ve got the DiNenno’s of the world who are actually hitting, you know, por 3 hitting it out from the right or Yang West and so on. So, is a changing sport, how would you describe yourself as an animal or padel player?

Joni Luolamaa  19:11

Yeah, this one. This one was a difficult one I thought, you know, I’ve always loved to sort of sneak on the opponents and do an counter attack and whenever you get a chance, so I don’t know for why or what reason, but I was thinking, you know, an alligator or the other beast, you know, waiting to hit the prey, or do you know what’s a northern bike?

Minter Dial  19:44

A northern bike?

Joni Luolamaa  19:45

Pike!

Minter Dial  19:47

Oh, like a fish?

Joni Luolamaa  19:48

Yeah, it’s a fish. It’s something I used to do before but when I had other hobbies, it’s predator fish and It’s a sort of one who attacks fiercely, you know, can be without moving and then when it gets a chance, so yeah. So, maybe that one.

Minter Dial  20:13

I like that very it’s the first time that I’ve had both of those. The interesting thing about alligator Of course it is it can do both land and sea. So, you know, you can be coming in for a little bit, little bit of water, and it comes out and grabs you. Yay. Nice. Well, what about your favorite shot? You talked about transition? You’ve talked about fortress? Now attacking more, do you have a favorite go to shot that you just yeah, this is it?

Joni Luolamaa  20:40

Yeah, this is it’s always said the same thing. And it’s jumping Smash. Backhand sides, because adolescent athleticism, for me, it’s been always one of my key strengths. And especially, we had like super fast balls in Finland, three or two years ago, before we changed or the Federation chains. So, it was quite easy to smash, even with the flood Smash. So, coming from a basketball background, so it’s basically the same movement when you dunking the ball. So, that was super nice. And it was something that most of the players they were not able to do. So, I think that’s the has to be my favorite one. But now I’m playing more on the A side, and that I’m not doing that anymore. Not that much. So, it’s a little bit shame.

Minter Dial  21:44

Well, that is something I mean, I can I was imagining the jumping the dunking posture. What? What’s the key to getting it right.

Joni Luolamaa  21:56

I think a lot of players, they have problems jumping. And I’ve actually been to I’ve been teaching the jumping motion. And I think many players they could benefit when you are recovering opponent Smash. If you go see panel players, I think I like Golan is he is one with the most athleticism, maybe I’ll be Garrido as well. But there are still many players that find the jumping movement actually super-hot. And one thing I’ve been always telling, you have to accelerate. So, what’s the actual jumping motion? So, then you can get the most out of how to say it. You’re actually less you’re storing the energy there and then you can release it all at once.

Minter Dial  22:52

Out of your heels; in your in your ankles.

Joni Luolamaa  22:55

Yeah, so it’s, I think it’s also has to do it’s a little bit about the technique. And many players are not used to it. It’s in padel courts, or in situations you have your running you are not sure where the ball is, it’s not easy to jump. Because you’re not you have to focus on so many other things. So, that movement should come out of your backbone. How do you say it?

Minter Dial  23:24

Well, you’re out of your backbone, your spine. It’s interesting. You talked about Javi Garrido and Galan, Stupa does the flying smash with amazing skill and he doesn’t look like he’s quite as strong or, or has the kind of basketball type, but boy does he do it well!

Joni Luolamaa  23:43

Oh, yeah. Stupa is. I didn’t write it down. But he’s one of my favorite players. And it was it was the first shirt that I bought was Stupa because I saw him do the jumping smashes. So, I felt super nice about him. And I met him a couple of times in the World Padel events and seems like a super genuine guy. And I’m super hard working, always giving 100% on the court. So, I think it’s a sort of player to look up to.

Minter Dial  24:20

Yeah, and he certainly does a great job with DiNenno. So, talk about your favorite players. You have other favorite players than just Stupa.

Joni Luolamaa  24:29

Yeah, I think Paquito Navarro. He was one of the first that I saw in YouTube. After the first time that I had tried padel. I went home or super excited and went to YouTube to find some sort of match here about their sport, and then I stumbled across to a sport. So, me match, basically immediately saw him hitting por 3 and going out of the court and winning the point and to my eye, it was super magical. And then when I saw the first backhand winner after a bad smash?

Minter Dial  25:10

Yeah, where you smack it back over here.

Joni Luolamaa  25:15

Yeah, yeah, that was something else. I remember, I was rewinding the tape to see it again. And how does he do it? I was super amazed. And then I tried to replicate it the next day. And it was super hard. But that was something I learned pretty early on. And I think that’s something when an amateur effort for example, looks if you’re able to do it, it’s just looks so easy, but I know how hard it’s

Minter Dial  25:49

it’s like a lot of these shots, they look and see. Yeah, they’re hard to do. And what about the amongst the women?

Joni Luolamaa  25:59

I think Bea Gonzalez. Saw some of her matches, like a couple of years ago. And for some reason, she, I think she was so explosive. Looked like an animal there was so that was something that caught my eye.

Minter Dial  26:19

Well, and like a lot of these players, even though they’re really good, they are still improving and changing and doing, you know, creating new shots. And, of course, they’re also changing partners, which means you have to adapt to that. That’s all really, most interesting. So, what about your funniest thing that’s happened to you only with regard to padel what comes up as a funny moment, a joyous, funny moment on padel.

Joni Luolamaa  26:48

If you include the word joy, it has to be one year ago, when I moved to Tempere in Finland, they had this professional team here, we were four players. And for some reason, one does one particular day, like the kick smash, which has always been an elusive skill to me. You know, I can flat blood smash heart, but the top spin. never, I never sort of figure it out until the one day it was past conditions. But regardless, I hit like, nine balls in a row with from a deep smashes, and then it just clicked in and I felt the emotion. Again, I’m not saying it’s easy to go and do the same thing in a match. But still, that was something that I really enjoyed.

Minter Dial  27:52

So I would love to dig in on that. Because obviously I you know, I know, I’m 60 it’s a whole other gig with my body. But you talk about it, just getting it clicking. Now, how does one get to that click? Or is it a question of time practice? How do you get that flow moment?

Joni Luolamaa  28:15

I think it comes to the learning process. You have to in the early phases, it’s recommended by science that you sort of feel how the moment feels, and then you try to explain it to yourself, and everyone has their own ways of explaining it. And then you need a labor items from teammates or a coach or in the early phases, it was the YouTube and then for example, when I got the ball, going up with the top spin, in my mind, that was a good repetition. And then when I went flat, then I knew that’s not what I’m looking even though I can win a point with this one. I think you have to know a little bit about the skill. And then it’s all about creating a good learning environment, having good habits, good lifestyle. And I think that has been working for me. And that’s been why I’m able to do what I’m doing currently.

Minter Dial  29:28

The other thing that strikes me as the decision of hitting that shot, because of course you can do an amago, deceitful version, but you can really only do that if you’ve showed them you know how to do por 3. Right? I mean, if you start go start with you know, little things. Well, okay, we’re going to read that and, but when do you decide you’re going to go for it you that how do you get into that? Oh, there’s a lob. It looks deep, not too deep or is it too high to work? Making that decision process what’s going through your mind before you hit it when you decide to do it.

Joni Luolamaa  30:08

For me, it’s been helping that you sort of classify the cause a little bit are divided in the sections. Like for example, Por 3, you know, when you have a lob towards the corner, you have an better angle to go bends, or when you have a lot of middle, you go maybe crosscourt to the corner or in the center, or that helps. So, then you have don’t have that many options to choose. So, a little bit do the work so you’re not at every lob, you’re not considering like six different shots. So, that’s something and then it’s also about your partner really telling where the players are. And let’s say your crossbow dopamine comes through the net. And then my teammate tells me he’s at the net, then you have other options you have like slow mail or middle or hard to the body. But I think there are always a few options to choose from and it’s also what is your strategy against those particular opponents? So, that also defines what I want to hit.

Minter Dial  31:35

And also the sensation right? So, me games you go into it and I got this you’re feeling it and you’re like confident and in other games, it doesn’t it’s not working maybe the balls aren’t going as fine as fast or they don’t feel like they’re fast enough for you in those so that also alters the course of history.

Joni Luolamaa  31:55

Yeah, you know the feeling when you go you forget everything else. I think that’s something that I will always been quite good when I go to the court. I’m not easily distracted I usually am able to be present sometimes obviously it’s not it’s not like I’m always super present, sometimes not, but I still try to sort of forget everything else when I call go to the courts.

Minter Dial  32:31

Right, well what about you know, we always say about sports it’s a great learning ground for life. Things you learn on a sports field playing basketball or rugby or whatever. What about padel a since you’ve been immersed in the world of padel for basically at least five six years? What was lessons is brought to you in your daily life?

Joni Luolamaa  32:56

I think one particular training comes to my mind from problems sleeping. I went to the court and told my coach that today I will do my best, but I’m a little bit tired and my back hurts a little bit. And then he said stop now. He says everyone always tells him the same thing especially in the amateur series. Oh let’s see today might be a bad day I was not sleeping; my child was screaming all night; and I’d been eating etc. So, then we changed that it was like three years ago and ever since when I’m going to the court even though you might be a little bit tired but you still grateful to go there you have the positive mindset like this is this will be the best part of your day so I think that also goes in the to other parts of your life you know Yeah, yeah, exactly. And great being great thing. Yeah. So, that’s something that’s been ever see ever since present.

Minter Dial  34:24

Love it. Fabulous. All right. Well, let’s just one last word. What’s the for you? What’s your future hold and padel and maybe link it to the future of padel in Finland.

Joni Luolamaa  34:37

Tough one. I think now I’m really want to focus a little bit more on my playing career. I sort of stopped coaching for a little bit as to not spend so many hours on the court because I’m having some minor health problems. I think that’s Let’s see how many years but I think there’s so much space to improve and I’m 30 There are still older guys competing and maybe if I get the elastic a consistent that super example but I think then I’m going to do some coaching, I want to generate content that actually helps people. It brings a smile to my face when someone says in Instagram that hey, this video was actually super good I learned a lot. Thank you. So, that’s super words to me. I think that’s the reason why I want to continue and also from my side when I know the finished battle scene, I can use it to my advantage and work there’s many opportunities as coaching consulting and you know, having an open mind and being ready to explore learning new things, so there’s opportunities for sure but first a little bit about the I want to find out where as the roof to my abilities, you know.

Minter Dial  36:19

Go find the boundaries right?

Joni Luolamaa  36:24

Yeah, that’s the what I’m chasing.

Minter Dial  36:26

Fabulous well I’ve had a tremendous ride a listening to you looking at you watching you talk about your joy of padel! How can people follow you? Because I mean, of course, I don’t know if you have so much English content what’s the best way is in any event? For to check out your socials, your connections? Find you, follow you?

Joni Luolamaa  36:48

Yeah, in Instagram. My surname Luolamaa, you can find me there. And in YouTube. It’s Joni Luolamaa, you can find me there. And I’m just now I’m thinking yesterday was searching how to create subtitles. Like more easily.

Minter Dial  37:13

SRT files!

Joni Luolamaa  37:15

Yeah. So, I think that’s something because I’m creating the content. And I know there is. There are many content creators these days, but still, I think would be nice to include the subtitles. And that’s what I’m trying to do. So, then I get the most out of my content. And then also more people are able to enjoy and learn from it.

Minter Dial  37:42

Beautiful. Well, everyone should go for it.

Joni Luolamaa  37:46

Yeah, one more thing that I forgot to mention. earlier. We created this when we were talking about the kick smash. We created this video with my teammates, current number one in Finland, Saska, we created the video. Yeah, yeah, we practice the kick smash with our left hand. So, we started from the zero. And then we had the we tried to see if our contractors just say it. Advice. Yep. Our advice is really working. And then eventually, we got some good results. So, I think that’s the video you should definitely look up.

Minter Dial  38:37

Well I’ll put that in the show notes without a doubt with a great Saska that’s ad love that I love this idea of learning and breaking it down and you know it would be a far cry for me to think about getting my left hand all the journey to try. I will I will I promise you I will. So, that’s brilliant. I he listened. Thank you so much for being on the show absolute pleasure Joni. I do hope you get a chance somehow to shake hands or play some padel even in Finland one day and if you come to London, you better look me up pay.

Joni Luolamaa  39:09

Yeah, for sure. It’s been an honor. Thank you for having me as a guest on your show.

Minter Dial  39:15

Been a pleasure!

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